THEY hail from some of Dublin's wealthiest southside suburbs and are intent on ending their schooldays with a bang. Welcome to holidays from hell – D4 style.
Last week, Ireland was shocked to hear the stories of scores of rich teenagers terrorising the quiet family population of Gouves on the idyllic Greek island of Crete.
These young men and women are supposed to be Ireland's next era of the elite. They attended some of the capital's best private schools. They will be our next generation of doctors and solicitors, possibly our politicians and policy makers. But you wouldn't think so if you visited Crete for a few sunny summer weeks in August.
What you would witness is Irish 'craic' gone crazy – hundreds of teenagers intent on all-out celebration no matter who might object. Excess drinking, fights, vomiting and sex.
"For just two weeks every August they come over," shrugs a waiter at the Ilios restaurant next door to the Lyda Beach Apartments resort in Gouves, the favourite location for our Irish ambassadors of anarchy. "They usually stay in Hersonissos [a more vibrant town a few kilometres to the east] but the travel companies give them good deals and they come here every August and go into Hersonissos every night.
"Every night there is police, every night there is fighting on the street; they come back at six in the morning. They come into my restaurant at two o'clock to eat, still drunk from the night before. They are young."
Gouves is like any other Greek holiday resort – long strips of sandy beaches, crowded with hotels and tavernas. By day a thriving beach paradise punctuated by quad bikes and scooters. By night, quiet bars and restaurants entertain couples and young families.
But the Lyda Beach apartment complex is the exception to the rule. Located at the east end of the small town, it is a plush set-up, accessed through a bar which in turn opens out into a poolside area, overlooked by come 50 balconies.
Last week, many of these balconies could be seen populated by our young Irish. Their conversations around the bar and pool are typical of teenagers on holiday – the previous night's antics, clothes, alcohol, face paint, glow sticks; a steady stream of gossip and story telling.
From around eight or nine o'clock on they come out into the street to hail taxi after taxi, cramming in up to seven at a time and heading off to Hersonissos, the promised land of carefree partying, complimentary shots and a night that knows no end.
But it's okay here. Nobody minds loud fun in a town that depends on crowds of youngsters flocking in and out of its bars and clubs. Yet despite the international assortment of visitors, it does not take long to find the Irish.
Last Thursday night the Sunday Tribune visited the party town on Crete's north coast; a brightly lit metropolis by comparison to its sleepy sister town to the west.
Walk around its buzzing labyrinth of main streets and side alleys and it's only a matter of time before you encounter the troops of students only too happy to shout over each other with tales of excess drinking and brawls.
To these young people it is a badge of honour. Competing to relate their individual war stories, they hang from each other's sunburnt shoulders, falling over in a bid to show their cuts and bruises from various run-ins with the locals and the law.
"We got sunburnt to shit at the pool," said one.
"They were giving us all these free shots, we thought it was paint stripper – we were all getting sick and one of the policemen punched me in the face."
"I went over to try and separate a fight with my friend," said another. "I got kicked in the head and back and then my girlfriend came over and she got kicked."
What is striking about a short tour of Hersonissos is the contrast between the Irish and their European counterparts. All young, the Europeans stroll around and sip on beer in the outside cafés and bars.
On the main street, a group of Irish teenagers are staggering around, seemingly unsure of where to go for their next drink. The confused and disorderly chorus of suggestions almost leads to a fight between a couple of the more well-oiled.
But when approached by a newspaper, a relative calm descends and now they only squabble to tell their stories and lend their insight into the commotion they have caused at home in Ireland.
Leaving Cert holidays seem to be a right of passage and crowds of up to 30 people from the same school have descended on the island.
It's not long before one group are insisting on contradicting their bad press. Some more inebriated than others – and they range from the 'not quite standing' to the borderline sober. All want to pour cold water on the flames.
But no matter how compelling their pleas of youthful innocence, families back at the Lyda Beach apartments are, as we speak, barricading their doors in anticipation of the mayhem to come on their return.
"It's the best holiday I have ever had," says 18-year-old Gavin Stone from Rathfarnham, who is set to study the art of landscape design after a successful Leaving Cert. The teenager is obviously bright and more in control of himself than his drunk companions.
"Everyone keeps saying that there is loads of shit going on at the apartments but it's not that bad. We have low music and talking and they keep going on at us."
James Ring (19) from Rathfarnham soberly explained: "It's grand now but it's when we get back and they think that we are being too loud. We don't think we are being too loud but maybe we are."
At the heart of all the conflict seems to be bad management. The teenagers and other holiday makers at war sing a common tune – that they are too different to be cooped up in the same intimate resort. But it is an opinion which has not led to compromise.
Ben Whelan (19) from Castleknock, a future business student, sums it all up. "I think a lot of people back there [at the apartments] are only complaining because they paid for their holiday and they are trying to enjoy it. But we paid for it as well and it's our Leaving Cert holiday and we want to enjoy it."
Another sober future business student, Liam Townsend (18) quietly, but decisively, concludes from the side: "With the apartments... we shouldn't be in the same place."
And, with that, they all head off for one more night of partying in the clubs and bars.
My daughter and her friends are all at the Lyda Beach Apts at the moment. They have caused no trouble. In fact it's the opposite. Families have supported them and have told the Budget Travel rep that these kids are great,are always polite and are quiet. I am sick to death of all kids being blamed for a few that cause trouble. All of this so-called news has been completely blown up out of all proportion. I spoke to the rep and he agreed. No-one of course mentions that the woman who reported all of this on RTE radio called the girls 'posh little girls whose daddys paid for their hols'. Well we are very proud of our daughter. She did brilliantly in her exams unlike a lot of others and she deserves this holiday.
If these are the "rich beautiful people" they should be made to pay (literally) for their demeanours. The best way to sober up these spoilt brats is to confiscate their passports and give their mommies and daddies a huge bill. They are a national and now an international embarrassment.
Drunken brawling in foreign locations may indeed be, for some, "a rite of passage" but it can hardly be regarded as a "right" for anybody. Is the confusion between 'rights' and 'rites' Freudian or perhaps a reflection on the standards currently being achieved by Leaving Certificate graduates?
My family and I have have just returned from what Budget Travel promised to be a "quiet, relaxing family holiday", it is well documented that our "quiet, relaxing family holiday" turned into two weeks of the worst holiday that we ever had to endure.
Why Budget Travel would take a quiet family complex in Gouves where families have booked holidays, and put up to 170 teenagers in amongst them, defies belief
The one-sided nature of this news story since it broke on Liveline last Monday angers me. The lynch mob is out to target ALL of the students, regardless of whether they were involved in any wrongdoing. Derek Davis was happy to join in.
If some of the behaviour of the young holidaymakers went too far and became criminal, let the full rigour of the law be applied, but don't tar all the students with the one brush, as Mr Davis et al. were happy to do.
And by the way, we don't live in Dublin 4, are not wealthy, and are proud of our son, his achievements to date and his good behaviour in Lyda Beach. He had a great holiday, trouble free, and also has the character to sympathise with the families who were put in Lyda Beach by an incompetent Budget Travel.
Let the blame for the wrongdoing lie with those who are responsible, but don't be blinded by the torches of the lynch mob.
I am one of the so-called "cretins" that apparently ran rampage amidst the "terrified" and helpless onlookers in Lyda Beach apartments. Firstly, to clear up the blood-thirsty journalists literary arsenal of appointing every single holiday-maker and leaving cert student as a D4 rich-kid that has been blinded by their "daddy's" oversized wallet - I can tell you that I, myself do not live in D4 (however irrelevant this information may be) and I did not get sick in the pool, urinate in the pool, or form a threatening presence to the families enjoying their holidays in Crete.
When I stayed in Lyda Beach, I had the time of my life and was shocked to hear, upon my arrival back in our "perfect" capital city, that my friends and I had been the source of terror to families sharing the accommodation.
Before the holidays, I had aspirations of becoming a journalist, but now after witnessing first-hand the helpless feeling one gets when being on the receiving end of their penmanship, I would not even consider joining their ranks.
To conclude, the story was blown out of proportion by the media and headline-cravers, and I enjoyed my holiday as much as I would have done, had I been with my own family - including my brother and sister (10 and 14). I would like to point out that your upbringing and social background does not affect your capacity to commit a crime, it only changes the way in which you do it. I think this story was driven by the lust of journalists to create a bad image for the youth of today, and moreso by their hunger for a juicy story.
William, I'm glad to see that you weren't one of the pool-vomiting/urinating cretins. But I also note that you couldn't even concede that some of your fellow Leaving Cert students may have enjoyed themselves a bit too much, to the detrement of other people holidaying there. So basically, are we to believe that everything was happy. And good there and all the complaints to Liveline were lies? Or are we to conclude that when we use the word "cretin" to describe you, we should also add "lying"?
I am a Leaving Cert student and just got back from Lyda Beach apartments. We may have been a bit loud but we never threatened people, vomited in the pool or threw broken glass either. It has been completely sensationalized.
We were one of the families that happened to be in the Lyda Beach last week in the "Holiday from Hell". With regard to the comment regarding that they may have been "a bit loud", the word deafening springs to mind, and this was both day and night. You may not have been the person who vomited or urinated in the pool but you cannot deny that it did not happen. Staff in the complex advised us to keep out of it so is it them who are lying?
Also, it must be said that not all students there were cretins, there were some lovely girls and boys who enjoyed their holiday, partied, but had the respect to take other people into account when they arrived back and quitely went into bed, without waking the dead. I have to mention that one particular group of girls who were in the apartment next to us had a birthday party for one of their friends, with balloons and streamers out on the balcony and invited my two kids down for the party, which was a lovely gesture from these girls. They would also stop and chat when they would pass you on their way out for the night.
It is a very sad holiday when your 11-year-old boy cries on the Monday morning saying he wants to go home as is afraid and your 6-year-old daughter tells you that she saw a boy asleep on the couch up by the bar in his underpants at 10am.
To some people this may appear to be funny. I may not have come from the privileged background that some of these people came from but my parents reared me to grow up respecting those around me but firstly to respect myself.
Believe me, from my balcony that I sat on (day and night) I did not see any respect from SOME students, not all.
I was also staying in Lyda Beach apartments and what was said on Joe Duffy was lies. Yes, there was underlying tension between us and the families and I was at the beach when it came to surface, but managed to catch the end of the argument which involved a middle-aged mother screaming in one of my friends' (calm) faces about his daddies wallet and so fourth while her daughter sat in the background bawling her eyes out; not because we threatened her with smashed bottles, but out of sheer embarrassment for her mother's immature and irrational behaviour. It's like everyone else says, what has our socio economic background got to do with it? Would this "behaviour" be acceptable if we were from council estates? I was at the pool everyday and I have pictures and even videos showing nothing but well-behaved teenagers enjoying their holiday alongside familes and children. I spoke to many of the other families around the pool during the day and they were on our side saying they couldn't see a problem with us and our behaviour. The only person who was too afraid to leave her room was the woman who started the whole drama, because in fairness, if she showed her face down at the pool she wouldn't have got too friendly a reception. How could she expect one? We have spent days receiving calls from our angry and worried parents and got pleas to return home from Budget Travel, all thanks to these sensational stories. I'm not denying that Leaving Cert students go wild after the exams; I visited a few other complexes where other friends of mine were staying, (where you didn't need to drop your sense of humour at the front door) and the poolside and apartments were a completely different story. Still not even come close to the allegations being made about us in Lyda. All I know is that the families would not have lasted a minute there. This whole situation has got ridiculously out of hand because I feel that during my stay at Lyda I kept my own, my family's and school's good name as did the vast majority of others staying there.
Now that the truth about the behaviour of the rampaging students, and their barbaric behaviour has emerged back in Ireland, there is a concerted effort at damage limitation.
We are all aware that in any particular incident, there is seldom 100% participation. This does not mean that it does not exist, or that nothing happened. The distress of the parents and the families concerned speaks for itself. It is not up to the students who were not involved in creating drunken havoc, to defend those who were. It was appalling, shameful behaviour and should not be condoned. Any defence of this behaviour compromises the integrity of those who do so. It is inexcusable. People save all year to go on holiday.
The Lyda Beach Apartments are not inexpensive. Instead of fond memories of a relaxing holiday, there are only memories of a nightmare existence. My daughter was in the Lyda Beach Apartments and every night she had to barricade her door with a chair to prevent her door being kicked in by returning drunks, (students). This was their idea of fun. Violent intimidation. Is this what is considered normal behaviour for students letting off steam post Leaving Certificate examinations? And YES there were threats, and insults, and verbal abuse, not occasionally but constantly. Students did vomit in the pool, and urinate, and break glasses. I am sure if William and Mary's fairytale stories were to be believed, the catastrophic experience was all a dream, and it was a perfect utopian experience.
One's social standing is no guarantee that one will be a model citizen, but one expects respect, and consideration from those who should, but don't know better. As to the rep. He knows what happened; he knows how distressed the families were; he knows the extent of the atrocious behaviour. Perhaps he is all things to all men. How else could he condemn the students to the families, and laud the students behaviour to the students? This rep. needs to tell the absolute truth and not fail in his obligation to take care of his clients, or any client that has a justifiable complaint.
Of course William and Mary's tales are true, because they can see nothing wrong in the actions of their friends and peers, they were just "letting off steam" or "going" a bit wild" - all perfectly acceptable behaviour in their eyes and probably in their parents eyes. Why? Because they don't care, they don't have to, the boom times have insulated them from having to learn respect or consideration towards others. Their parents will insulate them from the responsibility of their actions, and I'm sure they'll be "larging" it up in some other resort next summer. Ladies and gentlemen, the Celtic Cubs...pity the nation.
...and the lynch mob keeps going.
I saw nothing in the comments from William and Mary defending anyone other than the vast majority of young holidaymakers who didn't vomit or urinate in the pool. For telling the truth and trying to bring a sense of reason and proportion to this story, they have been called liars as well as cretins! At least they had the respect and dignity not to indulge in name-calling.
I go back to the point of my original post here; every young person is being tarred with one brush, which only goes to weaken the case against those who are responsible for wrongdoing.
I have just returned from Lyda Beach appartments and I was the subject of verbal abuse from SOME, not all of these students just for having a professional looking digital camera to take some holiday photos of my children near the poolside.
Also my wife was subjected to verbal abuse from SOME of these students while dining at a restauraunt, refering to a headline in a midweek edition of another national Irish daily newspaper.
I again stress all this behaviour was carried out by a hardcore of roughly 15 to 20 students. There was a lot of mannerly students, but like everywhere the actions of the minority spoil it for the majority. In my opinion the blame rests with Budget Travel who advertised the Lyda Beach as a family-friendly apartment complex and I, my wife and all the other parents booked our holidays in that belief.
These students should have been booked into appropriate apartments where they could have their own type of holiday and leave parents and children in peace and quiet.
I'd like to point out to everybody who still thinks that some of these students actions were acceptable; what about the behaviour on the aircraft to Crete before they arrived at Lyda Beach?
Total disregard for other passengers, loud unruly behaviour, refusal to comply with flight attendants instructions, removing life jackets and safety belts from the aircraft causing the coach which was to bring everyone to their apartments to be held up at the airport while all passengers and their luggage was searched (including children).
It would appear, reading the comments from William and Mary that they saw nothing, heard nothing, and certainly will not admit anything about the unruly, disgusting behaviour that went on in the Lyda Beach Apartments.
They were apparently blissfully unaware that such gross, vicious and abusive behaviour, was being perpetrated by a large crowd of students on innocent families and couples. I am amazed that not one word of condemnation has been uttered by the students in Lyda Beach, on the "minority" of their peers who went on the rampage every single night, totally ruining so many people's holidays.
It is about time these young people admitted the truth. It is not too late to show some integrity. Perhaps someone will have the courage and the honesty to admit the reality of what happened. The current implication would seem to be that the 'horror' was a figment of the holidaymakers' imagination. That it never happened!
As to RESPECT. There was no respect shown to the vast number of holidaymakers who were abused and whose lives were made a living hell by a large crowd of out-of-control students. I am not insensitive to the fact that there were students who did not participate in the abusive and decadent behaviour. But please do not imply that everything was 'rosy in paradise'. As for the 'TRUTH', the students have done their best to try to suppress it through a process of re-invention. They even attempt to excuse it by diminishing the extent of their wild excesses, describing it as 'letting off steam'.
They should know that the type of behaviour described by the families in Lyda Beach is totally inexcusable and no amount of euphemistic jargon, will condone it. Wrongdoers should not be defended or protected. This merely reinforces, and perpetuates the behaviour. The abuse, the violence and the intimidation existed. At least have the decency to concede to the truth. My daughter was subjected to a consistent,virulent barrage of coarse, verbal abuse such as, F.... B..... She was told, 'get a life, you're not ninety you know'. All in the best upper class accent. This attitude says it all.
I just got back from Lyda Beach and to be fair all the families shouldn't have been put in the same complex but that's totally not our fault. Blame Budget Travel. It is in the wrong.
Every year groups like ourselves descend upon Crete so to all the families you obviously didn't do the research. The families obviously didn't deserve to be intimidated but this was definitely a minority.
I doubt there'll be a repeat of this next summer as this has been so sensationalised that families will be more carefull in choosing holiday locations.
This isn't the first time sixth-year holiday-makers have holidayed here. And I really don't understand why we're all being classed as D4 as that is TOTALLY irrelevent.
I am not from D4 and nor were any of the people I was staying with. To the person who said 'daddy' paid for it - you obviously haven't talked to anyone that was actually staying there. If you decide to book your holiday for August you will inevitably encounter sixth-year holiday-maker, so if you can't handle a party, change the dates.
I completely agree with Niamh, William and Mary actually. It is the families fault for booking their holidays for Crete in August. Crete is a party island and to book in August is just plain stupid. As for Dave, everyone is just laughing at your 'interesting' input. You clearly have a grudge against the "D4s"
With regard to Niamh and Sharon's comments regarding the families booking their holidays in Crete in August. With all your so-called education, if you read the Budget brochure, the Lyda Beach apartments are actually advertised as suitable for families and young couples. Yes, Budget are to blame, but did it every occur to you that maybe you should have booked a more suitable complex for your type of holiday.
Families are as entitled to book their holdays in August as much as you are. These people in question think that they have a God given right to do anything they want and everybody else should step aside and let them do so without disruption as they feel that they are important and how dare anybody question their movement or antics. Guess what, it doesn't work that way in the real world.
If you think that studying for a couple of years entitles you to have a free run of an island, you have an awful lot to learn.
So it would appear that all families who have one or both parents working and who have been allocated holidays around the second two weeks of August (as I was this year, next year I'll be allocated April) must not book holidays in any resort, so that we will not spoil the fun of students who have been off school from June to September. Oh how easy the life of a person who only has themself to worry about.
In reference to the above comments about Crete being a party island, I was aware of the resort of Hersonissos being a lively resort but Gouves being included in this category is news to me and I would say most other parents and couples looking for a normal relaxing holiday.
Also it must come as a surprise to the local restaurateurs and shopkeepers who see very little custom from the "Cretan Cretins" whose idea of a good evening of Greek cuisine seems to be boiled pasta eaten out of a saucepan on the complex balcony.
I suppose the more spent on food was less money for alcohol, which by the way was not bought in the complex bar (which was virtually empty only for the families).
What struck me during my two weeks was how local Greek youths seemed to be content with enjoying themselves on little or no alcohol, but our "Cretan cretins" appeared to not survive without the "continuous" fix or top-up of alcohol. We have to change the mindset in Ireland of how alcohol can be enjoyed without getting into a state of inebriation that I my wife and other responsible parents of young children witnessed from the time these people arrived at the apartments.
Ber -actually maybe it was you that should have done more research. It's common knowledge that 6th-year holidayers head to Crete or Aiya Napa. And I didn't say anything about running an island. And our so-called education is the one we've actually being getting for the last six years and will continue to get in the country's best universities next month - so yes we all have an education.
I was merely mentioning that people who book there holidays expecting a quiet holiday in Crete in August is not going to happen.
Niamh, with regard to your comment on "groups" like you every year descending on the island, our family have holidayed two previous years on the same island, in the same resort but the apartments next door and never came across the goings on that we had to witness this time.
For the record, with regard to researching the holiday, Hersonnisos is where you should have travelled. Read any reviews on Gouves village and it's for a more laid back holiday, not the hedonistic lifestyle that was to be seen this year.
Even though you may be attending the "best university" next month, unfortunately you won't be taught respect for others and that's all people look for. Everybody is entitled to their type of holiday but others also are entitled to their type of holiday, but I hope in years to come when you have your family holiday that you won't have to deal with the aggression, rudeness that some people had to contend with this year.
No doubt had it been your own family on holidays in Gouves this year they too would be seeing it from the other side of the fence.
I stayed in Lyda Beach and this couldn't be further from the truth. I talked to families who where staying at the resort who were quite happy with our behaviour. In any news articles I have read it never mentions the language and name-calling which came from the person's mouth who complained about us.
I'm so sick of the emphasis put on the fact that we are "posh little brats" and daddy paid for our holiday. I speak for myself and the majority of my friends when I say I worked hard for a whole year during sixth year to save money. I didn't get money handed to me.
Budget Travel handled this whole situation very badly but that is no excuse for what we went through, which was utter lies. Do you people honestly think that we would vomit in the pool and then proceed to swim in it?
The family who complained saw an opportunity to cause trouble and they did. I think we have been treated very unfairly and branded as scum. If Lyda was really as the papers made out I would have been on a flight home but I can honestly say that was not the case.
It seems that these 'students' refuse to concede that they have done anything wrong. What intransigence! Niamh is quite certain 'that it's common knowledge that 6th - year holidayers head to Crete or Aiya Napa'. That is a presumptious assumption. Strange how it is alright for Niamh to generalize,about something being 'common knowledge', but when the families on holiday speak of 'students' creating havoc, it is pointed out very specifically that only 'a minority' caused the outrage. Niamh you might have an education, which, apparently endows you with a sense of intellectual snobbery, but perhaps you might check your grammar. 'there' holidays should be 'their' holidays, not to mention 'we've actually being getting'.
Niamh, you say, that you 'all' have an education. So now, apparently, it's a minority of students that cause trouble, but you 'all' have an education. What does this say about your education. Is excessive drinking a 'right' for all students. Or is it a mere 'rite'. Either way it is abuse. One may only exercise one's rights in so far as they do not infringe on the rights of others. Has your education taught you that?
I have to say the behaviour of some of the students was unacceptable. I am ashamed to say that I am around the same age as them. I was there and was reduced to tears when one of Mary's "calm" friends approached my mam and demanded a photograph back that she hadn’t even taken in the first place he eventually lunged forward but was pulled back by an elderly man. This rep that apparently said it was all blown out of proportion had to move a number of us because of threats made. And yes there was vomiting and urinating in the pool area (I myself witnessed this) maybe it wasn’t Mary, Niamh or William but you can't deny it went on. I do agree we shouldn’t have been in the same complex and that it is budget travels fault but don't tell people that they are stupid for booking a holiday in August in what we were told was a quiet resort for families. The fact that it was said we shouldn’t book a holiday for these two weeks in August sums up a number of these students attitudes to everything, that they have a god given right to do whatever they want and treat anyone who comes in the way with utter contempt. Whether they were told it was lively or not is irrelevant they should still have respect and consideration for others. It doesn’t matter where their from Dublin 4, 14 or 24 or who paid for their holiday that behaviour of some was unacceptable.
I have just returned from my 6th-year holiday in crete.
I stayed in Lyda Beach apartments and the rumour that we are all scum in the sun and D4 heads is a load of rubbish. I was informed by my mother that we were breaking down doors and windows, (there were no windows in the apartment).
Also from photos in the papers of everyone swimming shows us that there was no vomit, urine or broken glass thrown in the pool.
When are budget travel rep was bullied into giving us a written warning by a group of indivduals complaining that their children were traumatised(while their kids played in the pool) was when we thought enough was enough we confronted the men and women and discus what the problem was like adults, instead we were confronted with men and women telling us to 'f**k off' and that we were 'posh c**ts' and are holiay was paid by 'daddys money' this comment in particular destroyed a lot of us as the majority of us paid for our own holidays. Me myself hardly see my dad and my mum had to take a loan out to pay for my holiday I worked for my spending money.Another one of my friends dad just passed away and was very upset by this comment, for supposedly mature adults they were not thinking about what they were saying. I talked to one women and asked her to calm down,stop shouting and speak to me like an adult or else I will walk away. She agreed to talk to me and asked me did I not realise that this was a family resort.I responded by saying that we were informed by budget travel that this was 'party central' and there was booze cruise on tuesday nights. also that the bar in the resort would be open to us till six am if we wanted.Through out the day I went up to families and couples and apoligised for any inconvience we had caused and I was shocked by the responses I got saying that they were not disturbed by any noise and they loved the drama of it all.
All the commotion was old news two days later and everyone carried on enjoying there holiday.
I have to say the behaviour of some of the students was unacceptable. I am ashamed to say that I am around the same age as them.
I was there and was reduced to tears when one of Mary's "calm" friends approached my mam and demanded a photograph back that she hadn’t even taken in the first place. He eventually lunged forward but was pulled back by an elderly man. This rep that apparently said it was all blown out of proportion had to move a number of us because of threats made. And yes there was vomiting and urinating in the pool area (I witnessed this myself). Maybe it wasn’t Mary, Niamh or William but you can't deny it went on.
I do agree we shouldn’t have been in the same complex and that it is Budget Travel's fault but don't tell people that they shouldn't have booked a holiday in August in what we were told was a quiet resort for families. The fact that it was said we shouldn’t book a holiday for these two weeks in August sums up a lot of these students attitudes to everything; that they have a God given right to do whatever they want and treat anyone who comes in their way with utter contempt.
Whether they were told it was lively or not is irrelevant they should still have respect and consideration for others. It doesn’t matter whether they are from Dublin 4, 14 or 24 or who paid for their holiday, that behaviour was unacceptable.
Blame Budget Travel...it should be mandatory that they alert families of the nature of the clientele in any given complex before they pay for their holiday. Budget Travel's "anything goes" policy to allocation of apartments is a recipe for disaster and is inevitably going to cause havoc. I really can't see why the "stressed" and "distraught" families are on Liveline complaining when they should really be on to Budget.
In respect to G. Callinan's comment above: grammatical or spelling errors have absolutely nothing to do with the education of certain individuals as that person could excel at any other subject rather than English. The last time I checked, education was not simply classified as having a good grade in English, but the ability to show ability across a range of subjects. Your pettiness is not welcome here, and just shows the level at which you suppossed "mature" people will sink to, to get one over on younger, happy go lucky holiday makers out to enjoy themselves after a tough academic year.
I believe it is Budget Travel's fault. I booked my holiday in September before the brochure was out. I asked for a resort in Hersonnisos and I got Gouves. I didn't know that it was a family resort and if I had, I wouldn't have booked it. Yes I admit we were loud which most certainly and understandably caused an inconvenience. I do apologise for any hassle I caused but the abuse I was subject to while I was there and the articles written about my friends and I in the press were completely unfair and unjust. They were sensationalised and one-sided. Travelling with Budget Travel was the biggest mistake of my life.
G Callinan I am the student who kicked down doors, intimidated people and puked in the pool. I also beat small children, exposed myself to elderly women and started a series of small fires.
I'm from D4 - it's a magical land situated between narnia and middle earth; the streets are paved with gold and the air smells of rich mahogany.
I have many leather-bound books. My father practically like totally owns D4. When I turned 16 he bought me a brand new golf GTI which I used to mount the pavement and run over people less wealthy than me.
I like to go to public toilets and piss on the seat. I like to start fights when I go to Crete. I like to sit on the balcony of my massive house drink cans and hurl abuse at passers-by (which I also did on holiday).
All I have to say about this unfortunate situation is that those families shouldn't have been there (SOME OF THEM WEREN'T EVEN FROM THE SOUTH SIDE FOR CHRIST SAKE).
If I want to drink alot of beer and relieve myself in public I will. I don't think you understand how wealthy I am.
CRETE 2008 BEST HOLIDAY EVER!!
In response to Mark's comment: I did not mention 'education' in any of my comments. I point out that it was not I who brought up the question of education. Niamh made it a point to emphasise that she would gain entry into one of 'the country's best universities next month'. I merely found it interesting that a student who was about to embark on further education at one of 'the country's best universities', could have such a poor command of the English language. I would also like to ask Mark to define what he means by 'you suppossed mature people'. (By the way, 'suppossed' is also a spelling error.)
Unless Mark has some specific knowledge, or ESP, he is assuming quite a lot. It is quite possible that I may also be a young 'happy go lucky holidaymaker' out to enjoy myself, not after a tough academic year, but, after a very hard WORKING year. You may have a right to enjoyment, but you do not have a right to that enjoyment at other people's expense. As to the last time you checked that 'education' was 'the ability to show ability across a range of subjects', 'education' is in fact defined as 'the act or process of educating or being educated'. To educate, on the other hand, is 'to give intellectual, moral and social instruction'. Obviously since the moral and social behaviour of a crowd of drunken students in Lyda Beach Apartments created such distress to family holidaymakers, it is reasonable to deduce that the efforts to educate you and your fellow revellers, were an abject failure. As to pettiness, nothing that happened in Lyda Beach Apartments was petty, apart from the behaviour of a crowd of selfish, and self-centred students.
Couldn't have said it better myself Old Gregg.
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This group of privileged cretins ruined the holidays of many families. Young children were traumatised by out of control, violent, vicious drunks.That is what they are. To use the euphemism of 'rights of passage' to excuse, or even explain such barbaric behaviour is an insult to common decency. The families and couples who stayed at the Lyda Beach Apartments returned home in a state of stress, their holidays ruined by the behaviour of hundreds of students running amok in the complex. They screamed abuse at women, threatened to smash them, and even attempted to physically assault individuals. They urinated and vomited in the pool. They threw broken glasses into the pool. When these drunken 'students' returned from their nights on the town,and they partied every night, they proceeded to kick doors, shout more abuse, and target anyone who made a complaint about them.All the time while drinking neat from bottles of Vodka and other varieties of liquor. It was literally mob rule, with out of control, upper class, drunken vermin. A 'lynch mob' would be an understatement to describe them. I would have to say that if one of these 'students' was a child of mine, I would be mortally ashamed. As it is, their parents show a distinct lack of responsibility to allow their sons or daughters to go on such a hedonistic, no holds barred, anything goes, holiday. If drink, sex, and subjecting innocent holidaymakers to a barrage of physical and verbal abuse,ruining their holiday, can be equated with 'right of passage' behaviour, then such 'right of passage' behaviour should be treated for precisely what it is...criminal activity, and let those who engage in such activity suffer the consequences of their actions. Enough is enough. Seeing such barbaric behaviour, I now can understand why so many tragedies occur when young Irish holidaymakers travel abroad. Tragedies are inevitable in such circumstances. The families and couples in the Lyda Beach Apartments, Gouves are fortunate that, given the extent to which their safety was threatened by the marauding hordes of D4 drunks,they were lucky to return home safely. I witnessed the return of some of the families, and couples, at Dublin Airport on Friday morning, August 22. They were literally shaking. Some were crying. Others were so stressed that they could not even talk. On the other hand, the culprits were laughing, joking, with wide smirks on their faces, as they attempted to justify their behaviour to a reporter, and vindicate themselves. These people are our future. I am very much afraid.